F 104 Starfighter NASA Officers
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15 31 May 2016, 19:51
Hanno KleineckeF104 finished minus wheel well doors and decals. The metal colour is Bernhard Schrocks special homemade
Mix of Testors Metalizer and Sealer, which he generously donated to me. Thanks a lot Bernhard, now you got me Hooked up on this almost impossible to scrounge - stuff ! 🙂 🙂
I think that the metal effect is superior to Alclad, plus : It cures within minutes and can be polished with a cotton swab or something similar.
16 July 2016, 08:02
Hanno KleineckeThe Rocketeer Decals are a tremendous disappointment, not only are the colours not very close to the original, they are incredebly thick, and refused to soften from every setting solution I threw against them. All Panellines just vanish underneath them. So after experiencing that with the big orange ones on the wings, I decided not use the even bigger ones for the fin, and sprayed it with a homemade mix, which turned out to be a bit of a missmatch. So I ripped the ones on the wings off again, to be able to spray them with the same mix. I think I will have to live with the not matching orange on the fuselage, too much of a hustle painting that too, from my perspective.........
18 July 2016, 14:06
Hanno KleineckeThanks for your encouraging words, Ekki, John and Christian. I was very close to dump the whole thing completely.....
18 July 2016, 19:36
Bill GilmanVery nicely done. It's a shame to hear about the Rocketeer decals - I have this same sheet and planned on using it to do Joe Walker's plane (although not specifically on the sheet, his markings can be created from it by creative cut and paste, I think). Now I know to plan on painting the fluorescent orange. You mentioned using a mixture of Testors Metalizer and Sealer - one after the other, or actually mixing them together? How durable is this finish - can it be masked over? Again, great job! 👍 👍 👍
1 August 2016, 14:25
Hanno KleineckeThanks MRMLA, Choppa and Bill ! 🙂
@Bill: I wasn't aware of Joe Walker flying one of these, which one was his? Looking forward to your project.
Which kit do you plan to use ?
For my Italeri, the NASA logo decals were slightly too large as you probably saw (Wingroot). Might be better with Hasegawa or Tamiya. The Testors Metalizer / Sealer mix was a ready to use gift from Bernhard Schrock . It is a result if his personal research, maskable, durable, and cured within minutes - the perfect metal solution -
But unfortunately the ingredients are almost impossible to source in Europe......
I'm sure he might share his recipe with you...🙂
1 August 2016, 16:35
Christian RistitsEin super Ergebnis, Gratuliere dir Hanno - auch wenn ich mich an die Stummelflügel ohne Tanks nie gewöhnen kann 😉
1 August 2016, 17:01
Hanno KleineckeDanke Dir, Christian !🙂
Du hast recht, aber in diesem Fall fand ich sie pur einfach besser .
1 August 2016, 17:25
Bill GilmanJoe Walker was flying supersonic chase plane F-104N, N813NA, in the collision with the XB-70 Valkyrie bomber, resulting in the loss of his life along with Major Carl Cross on 8 June 1966. I believe the markings were similar to those of 011, 012, 013, and 812 that are on the Rocketeer sheet. (There were only three NASA chase planes, 011, 012, and 013. At times they were marked 811, 812, and 813. Walker's was marked 813.) I'll have to cut and paste between the 013 and the 812 in order to get 813. Since the F-104N (N for NASA) is essentially an F-104G, I'll probably use the Italeri (ESCI) kit.
2 August 2016, 01:03
Björn LeichsenringSchaut top aus. Super gebaut und gelackt. Und die Tanks vermisse ich überhaupt nicht. Hat was.
2 August 2016, 06:22
B. M.Your Starfighter turned out really great, even tho you had these issues with the decals.
I'm really surprised about the rocketeer decals - they actually looked pretty good and very professional and I expected them to be ok (I have never used them yet and I have several sheet in my stash...)
Well, I'll give it a try anyways and will be prepared 😉
Thanks for sharing your experience.
2 August 2016, 08:34
Hanno KleineckeThank you Murad, Sören, Christian, Björn, Pierre-Christian and Benoit, I'very pleased that you like my 104 !
@Benoit: Hopefully it is only this particular sheet, that is of inferior quality and the others are better..🙂
@ Bill: Thanks for the info ! Was it the very same Joe Walker, who flew the X 1E " Little Joe " during the earlier years ?
2 August 2016, 14:49
Bill Gilman@Hanno: Yes, this is the same Joe Walker. He flew a lot of the X planes including X-1, X-1A, X-1E, X-3, X-4, X-5, X-15, as well as the D-558. He set the record for altitude in the X-15 (108 km) and is considered the 7th US astronaut. He also did some of the early flight testing of what became the lunar lander. He flew the P-38 and F-5A in WWII. He and Scott Crossfield are probably my favourite US test pilots. When I was growing up in the 1950s, these guys were my heroes.
3 August 2016, 14:46
Choppa Nuttabrave men indeed and very interesting to hear some of their back story Bill 👍 🙂
3 August 2016, 15:06
Hanno KleineckeYes, heroes they really were, and didn't they look real cool on these old Kodakchrome photos ?
3 August 2016, 18:50
Christian RistitsYes they were real heroes, and the jets look so cool - also your collection of X- and NASA Jets is one of the best things I have seen so far!
3 August 2016, 18:58
Hanno KleineckeWow, that is one big compliment, thanks a lot for that Christian ! Looking at your masterpieces, I still have some steps to take.... 🙂
3 August 2016, 19:19
iceIf there were any problems with the decals there`s nothing to see on the finished jet. Beautiful job!
3 August 2016, 19:24
Bernhard SchrockYesterday I had a chance to see the model of the "manned rocked" live and just noticed that I don't commented your latest project: excellent work Hanno!
13 September 2016, 18:33
Ulf PetersenObviously I missed a real highlight due to my holidays.
Great model, Hanno!👍
Do you join the next Stammtisch on Sept. 30th? If yes, please show it there!
14 September 2016, 04:59
Hanno KleineckeThank you for your kind words Ulf ! I' m still not sure if I can make it on the 30th, but if yes, I' ll bring it along.
14 September 2016, 18:34
GlennNice! that's another one on my bucket list too! I want to do the one that collided with the XB-70.
15 September 2016, 00:08
Adam GreenwoldI love the the NASA fleet. Really striking and thanks for sharing an inspiring build.
24 September 2020, 10:22
Bernhard SchrockSind es schon tatsächlich VIER Jahre her??? Immer noch grandios. 🙂
24 September 2020, 10:33
TreehuggerWhat is going on in photo 2 re. the panel lines? Did you just sand the surface?
24 September 2020, 11:35
Hanno KleineckeThanks Adam and Bernhard !
@Treehugger: Enhanced the panellines a little
24 September 2020, 12:32
